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| On the PBE you can currently see some of the framework for the Honor system sprouting up on Summoner Profile pages. |
"The end-goal of the Honor Initiative is to encourage players to aspire to be more positive. It's to encourage players who otherwise might be neutral or slightly toxic to instead be positive and to reinforce their behavior when they do act more positive. It's to encourage strangers to shed anonymity and aspire to be more respectful to one another.Next we'll move on to two subjects/questions that tend to garner the most attention - Potential rewards for being a remarkably positive player and honoring your friends/premade.
Rewards tend to be the biggest questions regarding the Honor system and here is Lyte's response on why tangible rewards aren't quite on the table just yet.
"The initial goal of Honor is to identify the positive pillars in our community. This is why we aren't talking about rewards right now. However, if you know me and understand psychology, you know that positive reinforcement comes in many shapes and sizes. We won't use rewards to encourage your participation in the Honor Initiative, so if you feel like there isn't enough 'value' to being good in the current iteration of the initiative, that's fine for now.Furthermore, he expanded on this answer by reiterating that Honor is largely an experiment and that it needs to get settled before rewards can be considered, saying :
The end goal of Honor is to shape player behavior more positively--to help encourage and nudge players to lean good instead of bad when it's an emotional game."
"We're not talking about rewards at this time. Consider the Honor Initiative as a multi-phase effort, with Phase 1 being to just test the system and determine whether it is accurately identifying positive players.
It's a very large-scale, unpredictable experiment, so we have to take things one step at a time. The whole purpose of this experiment is to try to find the players who are legitimately being Honorable, regardless of any tangible rewards. Once we identify those players, who knows what may happen?"
Second on the list of popular topics is the question regarding premades and the issue of whether or not players who play with the same small group of friends have anything to gain from the system. Lyte addressed the question by saying:
"If you premade 90% of your games with your friends and most of your games are non-toxic because your teammates are all friends... then you are not the main audience of the Honor Initiative. However, we have taken extra measures to ensure that there are still ways to progress and receive Honor if you play 90% premades. In fact, even though you mainly premade, you can still participate in every aspect of the Honor Initiative."There is still building concern that this sort of "devaluing" of friends honor votes sort of undermines those premade only players. Lyte responded with his own question:
"Should your Honor 'vote' towards your own friends be just as important as one from a stranger?"To sort of put things into perspective and clarify about this question, he also presented an extreme example,
"There's a lot of research that your vote of Honor towards your own friends means less. To give a more extreme example, what's worth more?You see what he's saying? Strangers, who have no sort of bias or investment in you, celebrating how good of a player you are is more of an accomplishment than your friends, people who have a positive bias towards you, honoring you for being commendable game after game.
1) Your parents saying you are the best in the world at LOL
2) Your peers saying you are the best in the world at LOL
3) Random strangers on the street saying you are the best in the world at LOL"
Lastly, let's wrap up with a few specific questions to help you visualize how the new system is going to work.
Lyte mentioned that you won't be totally in the dark when it comes to honor ( like you are with reporting ), saying:
"You will receive a notification that you got some Honor; however, we are not telling you specifically who gave it to you. This is one of the many design choices we made to help prevent trading."He also fielded a question about if you can both report and honor the SAME person in a game posted. Since this would sort of defeat the purpose of the system, it's no surprised he answered with:
"You can only Report or Honor a player at the end of a game. They cancel each other out."Closing out, Lyte was clear that there was no time frame on the implementation of Honor yet, but he also promised some more news later this week. He said:
"No ETAs! We'll be revealing more details about the Honor Initiative and start some new discussions around it sometime this week."
For more information on the upcoming Honor system, you can check out this PBE post for the first glance at some of the small resources in place, this post concerning some yet to be implemented Honor related goodies found in the PBE files, and the original announcement post that started it all.
It's probably coming at the start of S3.
ReplyDeleteI think so, too.
DeleteThats probably what they are shooting for, but they may be doubtful if it will be ready in time.
DeleteIts out now
DeleteI hope that if u get alot of honor u can get a refund slot
ReplyDeleteSo mean so cruel so cool
Delete"I hope you jump off a bridge"
DeleteDat is the thing that honor system will be trying to fix. People being so cruel to each other lol
"I hope you jump off a bridge"
DeleteExactly why a honor system is going to be put in place...
He is just anon.... If he was unanon he wuold never type this -.-
Deletenow that's what i call EDGY
DeleteLets not JUMP to any conclusions.
DeleteJumping off of bridges can be bridges can be fun aswell.
DeleteMaybe if you got a robe, or if it's just a minor bridge above a lake or river that's MEANT to jump off.
DeleteI must say I hope that getting a lot of honor means IP or RP.
If you would receive IP or RP through this system, it would be abused.
DeleteI really can't wait for this feature~ <3
ReplyDeleteThanks for keeping us up to date Moo!
I don't like the idea of honor negating reports. Premade trolls could just honor each other up to avoid the tribunal.
ReplyDeleteYeap reread it
DeleteSome people need to start reading before commenting
DeleteYOU cant honor and report the same person at the same time. If you honor some1 other can still report him.
DeleteI was not implying that you could honor and report the same person. I was commenting on how if you had a tri-premade team and decided to troll around you and your friends could just honor each other cancelling the reports of other players on the team,avoiding the tribunal. Some people should really start reading the comments before replying to them.
DeleteIt doesn't say anywhere that honor negates reports. As far as this FAQ is concerned 2 reports is still enough for the case to reach tribunal even if everyone else in the game honors them.
DeleteI hoped it would come before season 3, but now it's obvious it won't :(
ReplyDelete"more of an accomplishment than your friends, people who have a positive bias towards you, " LOL you obviously don't know my friends
ReplyDeleteWhy do I get the feeling that this will end up like a Reddit karma circlejerk
ReplyDeletele +1 karma like and subscripe :)
Deletele +1 karma like and subscripe :)
Deletewhat i would like is be matched with 9 other person with the same honor raiting as me... letting the trolls and toxics together and putting the friendly ppl together
ReplyDelete^THIS
Deleteplease riot, douche bags and trolls make me so sad, league of legends is a sport (sort of) and they just throw sportsmanship out the window. You would never see Kobe Bryant shoot a 3 pointer in the firs minute of the game and yell out "LOL GG!!!" or yell out "Celtics noob" when they miss a shot. so why do people feel the need to be complete dicks to each other just because they can get away with it? I agree with the guy up there, mtch friendly's with friendlys and assholes with assholes. this would make me (and probably many others) not hate the league community as much as I do lol
Deletei wish they had a filter and if you say something that is in the filter your character just dies, or you get all your gold taken away lol
Delete^No it would be awesome, trolls would be left to troll other trolls and shit at each other until they grow all so sick of it that they quit playing the game and thus make LoL a better place for everyone.
DeleteOh wow this idea is amazing!
DeleteI think that honor-level matching as a secondary goal after elo-level matching would be awesome.
DeleteHere's the problem with that though. There is no negative Honor. You have either 0, or any amount above that, which means all the worst trolls will be around 0 (unless they make reports send you into the negative, which would be interesting). This means that, for instance, if I don't play for a while after the honor system comes out, and try to hop back in, I would have 0 honor and be grouped with the worst of the worst trolls. How long do you think I'd keep playing if that were the case?
DeleteHow about getting an honor/game score? This way, if you gain 5 honor in 2 games, you are higher (at 2.5) than when you get 100 honor in 500 games (0.2). And those who have played less than a certain amount of games get matched with others who have not played enough to have a "reliable" honor/game score.
DeleteMight increase queue time a bit, but for me it'd be worth it.
I agree with BoroFreak. If we as a supposedly supportive community really want to help each other, we need to show people that raging is the wrong way to go. How many of us players have looked back at a time before and said: "I used to rage all the time, but I realized that I was toxic to my team, and I actually hurting my odds of winning."
DeleteLet's SHOW them the right way, not just write them off.
So basically commendations from Dota 2. Okay.
ReplyDeleteyour point?
DeleteThe only reward i really want is in the match making. It would be nice if Honorable players got paired with other honorable players. This would help match making in ranked a lot! I'm sick of playing with trolls who go 0/18, or people who go afk because they wanted to see their team lose. if your honorable you should be able to avoid these kinds of players altogether. Also gaining honor from the tribunal would be nice so you're not auto paired with trolls because you don't play as much.
ReplyDeleteAbove I posted a way to avoid being paired with trolls if you don't play much.
Deleteah but see the idea of honor is so when your teammate does go 0/18 you feel inclined to say "that's okay man, you're doing great!"
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ReplyDeleteOMG stop copying DOTA2!!!!!!!!!!Stop IT RIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteSo we should not improve the community in any meaningful way?
DeleteIs it like Apple and Samsung?
Its not copying its improving just like always.
ReplyDeleteFor me this system is pretty useless... just ban srsly troll/kidrage/leaver for have a "clean" and "funny" game. Zorry for my bad AEnglish
ReplyDeleteAh, and fix ranked system, maybe is better!!
Why do people like this so much? It's so pointless. It won't affect how you que; it won't increase your IP or RP, it won't unlock anything (as of now.) literally the ONLY thing it will do is cause you to lie more to bad players. If they're feeding: "haha it's okay man, we all go 0/30/2 sometimes as supports". They give up first blood (very easily)? "you're doing great!" It just makes everyone very fake for no reason at all.
ReplyDeleteSquidward, is that you ?
DeleteIt's not a negative statement patrick, I'm just bringing attention to the pointlessness of the honor system.
Deletei agree, and i also doubt they're ever going to bring in any real rewards.
DeleteHopefully, the honor system does something so I don't have to queue up with negative tryhards like you.
DeleteI'm afraid it won't.
DeleteYeah it'd be nice if it did affect people you que with and what not, but that's the problem, it doesn't.
DeleteWhat's so negative about the fact it doesn't do anything other than affect some in game chat?
DeleteIts already out!
ReplyDelete"However, if you know me and understand psychology, you know that positive reinforcement comes in many shapes and sizes."
ReplyDeletelike the 7-day ban swarm on well-meaning players
anyway, karma system is always nice. it's just ironic that lyte is the one talking about it
lol my friends report me what is this about a positive bias
ReplyDelete1) Your parents saying you are the best in the world at LOL
ReplyDelete2) Your peers saying you are the best in the world at LOL
3) Random strangers on the street saying you are the best in the world at LOL"
4) THEODDONE saying you are the best in the world at LOL
1) Your parents saying you are the best in the world at LOL
ReplyDelete2) Your peers saying you are the best in the world at LOL
3) Random strangers on the street saying you are the best in the world at LOL
Uhm....non of them . A good player that tells u that u are the best , not a random strangers on the street , who would give a fuck about him , lol .