8-24 PBE Update: Katarina changes.

because dog was also remade.

Kat was very inconsistent. SHe was either the super ultra hyper carry, or she was a cardboard target. There was no middle ground for Katarina and that is not something that makes the game very fun.

They nerfed Ziggs then buffed him again. Other way around, buddy.

They basically just reverted a change from a previous patch. He's exactly how he is on live atm.

No he was right... it was Buff to nerf

It was a buff then a nerd, BUDDY. His damage near the edge of his ultimate went up to 80% from 75% and is now back to 75%. Read before you respond.

REDUCED damage, my friend. Means that 80% reduced damage would be only 20% damage from the middle, now it's 25%.

It was a nerf first, then buff back to normal.

Think riot just made a horrible sentence there which can be interpreted multiple ways but, I hardly believe that ziggs' ulti only deals 20-25% when you are not in the middle, so 75-80% damage is more logic.

Ziggs ult deals 75% damage at the edge of the ult. They buffed it to 80%, then nerfed it to 75% again.

They did nothing - to be simple - they did nothing at all. Nothing ever happened, Ziggs was never touched. His ulti is the same as it has been for a while. ;]

They have been patching like mad!

Seriously? Rengar is pretty freaking amazing. Maybe you don't know how to use him? Because, if anything, he should be nerfed, lol

Though, I agree on the Kat part. I thought it was just because I wasn't used to her, but I now realize she just sucks now. :/ I used to play her all the time.

Rengar is completly useless late game but early game he can devastate target with that empowered q... Maybe make it scale better for late game...?

Yeah, Rengar is essentially an Alistar with no utility. He's good at early levels, but he falls off immensely. People that know how to insta-gib early say he's fine, but those that can't use him properly QQ about running into the entire enemy team and not being able to do anything.

You cant build him as you would another jungler.
he needs double bloodthisters!

Katarina isnt viable after the remake, so they are nerfing her. Because in global this is an another nerf. Riots logic.

The ranges / ratios I'm not worried about until she becomes playable, I do already have the passive change though.

:D fixed

Rengar probably needs changes to his ferocity bonus on W/E. If Q went back to 170 then you have even LESS of a reason to utilize the rest of his kit.

Your right

overall, it looks like it.

Riot hates Kat.
Q - nerfed
W - nerfed
E - some balancing
R - minor buff trough the passive buff
Riot simply cant understand Kat isnt viable, high elo players are simply bad as Katarina too /except Tiensi../. Why are they nerfing her, no one know, even Rioters i think.

Its simple - broken champ will always remain broken. In some cases extremely OP, in other cases just shit and free kills. Like i said Kat is just BROKEN.

Except for that bit where they buffed her flat damage on bb and shunpo so she does more damage without items, now. They buffed her early game so she'll have a better time against strong early opponents now.

Indeed. Ratio nerfs not as big as they seem. .05 AP ratio=200 AP for 10 dmg. So basically kat now does more dmg before hitting 200 AP, and less afterwards. This seems to encourage a gunblade rush vs other builds.

i think that would make her gameplay more deep even if it doesn't even have to do damage

scatter the weak you mean.

Nope. It was 75% since release. They did 75 -> 80 in one PBE patch a few days ago, then they've gone and un-did that. Not sure why, it was a justified buff.

This is only early game buff....and no one maxes E first...

As an ap you actually did before the rework as it was her ap nuke and gave you better cd. Now I'd max it second due to the better cd. Though some max it still first for cd and sinister steel afterwards leaving 1 point in Q. Ever heard of adapting to different situations?

Umm. He;s talking about rank five typo. It says 16.2

Oops. I meant 16

The [E] didn't change at all, was always 50% width increase.

It was the [Q] that changed from 20% to now 15% damage increase to champs, and the [W] that was changed from a brief knock up to and increase 2 sec slow.


For the [W], you can think of it this way:
Originally with the hit it does a 2 sec slow (no passive bonus)
With the original passive, it's a 1 sec knock up, plus it's 2 sec slow.
Now with changed passive, it's a 4 sec slow.

In other words you're getting a bit more time, but losing a bit of a stun. Or at least that's how I see it.

I meant W, not E, my mistake.

The reduced cooldown of Shunpo indirectly reduces the damage you'd get by more then those 5% that have been nerfed. If this hits live you can dodge skillshots more often with Shunpo (ofc only if it's needed, you still need a escape in case you get ganked) and you can ward-jump far more often with this change. That's far more useful then 5% less damage.

And what do you mean with "they do seem to be nerfing her early game again"? Higher Q und E base damage, and the ratios that have been lowered are a joke early game. 0.05? With 100 AP early your combo will deal 15 less damage from the nerfed ratios, but you get 30 more base damage for it. If you're going to say "but I can spam W", the lowered CD and buffed damage of Shunpo makes up for that early game, and is a bit weaker if you got about 200 AP.

But I agree with you that no one is going to level Shunpo first. I guess Riot realized that and that's why the base cooldown will be lowered (but it will be the same as now at max rank).

And the "buff" to Death Lotus via her passive isn't as slight as you think. If you get 3 kills in a teamfight then it's guaranteed that you can use your ultimate again (-45s, cd is 60/55/50) and right now it would only be -30s. You could almost never use Death Lotus twice.

And also read me previous post.

-ChanceWolf, EUW

Not to mention you get the 15% dmg reduction MORE OFTEN now than before.

And yeah, like you said. In any almost any teamfight getting 3+ kills/assists gives you your ult back. Which is pretty much a given if:

A: You ulted at all
and
B: Your team killed 3 enemies.