Co-op VS AI on TT, More on Skin Wards, and Legacy Status of new skins

Riot is putting it on thick with all this news!  Although, that probably has something to do with the fact that the Shadow Isles patch is gearing up to be one of the biggest League of Legends updates to date!
Continue reading for posts concerning bot support for the new Twisted Treeline, more from Hippalus on the upcoming ward skins, and some confirmation on if the Harrowing & Shadow Isles skins will be legacy or not.

Co-OP vs AI on the new Twisted Treeline
I have some good news for you Co-op vs Ai enthusiasts out there! According to BuffMePlz, the newly updated Twisted Treeline will ship with bot support!
"Hey all, we're super excited to announce that Twisted Treeline will ship day and date with complete bot support. That means you'll be able to queue up on Twisted Treeline with friends in Co-op vs. AI, or load up some bots for practice in custom games!

This should be enabled on PBE now with a couple of issues we weren't able to fix in time for the build:
1) The bots on top lane will occasionally path through Vilemaw's lair instead of staying in lane (oops)
2) Bots have a chance to get stuck jittering back and forth on the edges of the jungle (you'll know when it happens)

Both of these issues should be fixed with the next deploy, but let us know if you see any other issues!

Enjoy!"
Additionally, Veigar has joined the bot roster!

More on Ward Skins
These are the five initial ward skins, available temporarily with the upcoming Shadow Isles patch.
Hippalus has posted a response based on the heated ward skins situation we read about yesterday, recapping the most prominent feed back and updating us on their current status.
"Hi all, here are our takeaways from yesterday's ward skin feedback.

1) Most players like the idea of ward skins.
2) Most players dislike the idea of rental content, especially for RP, and when that content cannot be purchased permanently.
3) The Shadow Isles ward skin test has some flaws, which have been covered in detail in other threads.
4) The ward skin communication made those flaws worse.

The Shadow Isles event will still take place as planned, but this feedback has been heard and will impact our approach going forward for ward skins and other new types of content. This remains a test of player interest in seasonal ward skins for rent, and of ward skins impact on gameplay, not the beginning of a master plan to move League of Legends to a rental business model. New types of content going forward will rarely if ever be available for rent. For ward skins longer term, if they stay in the game, there will be a selection of permanent ward skins that are always available. There may also be permanent wards skins that can only be purchased for a limited time, as well as seasonal options available for rent. I will keep the community updated as those decisions are made and the reasons behind them.

Thank you for your passion for League of Legends and for helping us make it a better game."
Shadow Isles & Harrowing skins - Legacy or not?
Earlier today, Hippalus put up a poll giving summoners a chance to weigh in on if the newest batch of skins will be permanent additions to the store or if they will be temporarily available before retiring to the Legacy skins vault. The poll has since been closed and the results are in! The Shadow Isles skins ( Headless Hecarim, Haunted Maokai, and Underworld Twisted Fate ) will be permanently available in the store and the Harrowing Skins ( Headmistress Fiora, Zombie Brand, and Pirate Ryze ) will be legacy skins.
"Interesting responses and very close poll. The slight winner with nearly 40% of the vote is Shadow Isles skins permanent and Harrowing skins legacy.

Looking at Shadow Isles individually, 56% voted permanent (39% + 17%) and 44% voted Legacy.
For Harrowing individually, Legacy was a clear winner.

It will be done."

110 comments

  1. That poll just makes me upset, they closed it within an hour of starting it. It really seems like Riot already had their mind made before the poll even started.

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    1. This was decided last year for Snowdown Showdown. They updated their skins description thread to specify that all holydays skiin from SS2011 and forward would be legacy.

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    2. more on WARD SKINS* :P

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    3. Everything went according to Hippalus plan, he didn't even fake it a little bit, he only focused on showing these results because thats what he wanted

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    4. exactly, i mean how many people voted on the poll? like 5k or so?

      how many people play league of legends? exactly.

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    5. You only need a small percentage of feedback to make a good estimate. It was decided in the past, the poll wasn't for a chance it was just for data. Regardless of the outcome that poll served it's purpose. Needless to say the first people to jump on it are more highly valued anyways, since it shows true interest, and not QQ/Tableflip/1st people which don't have any weight anywho.

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    6. We as players have shown interest in more legacy skins, I think this is what they saw as well. The poll was probably brought down BECAUSE of the fact that such large interest was shown, and if you think about it IF they had kept it up, it would have only damaged the community all the more. Seeing as it's obvious they HAD already made their plan up.

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    7. Hmm, looks like im only buying Fiora and Brand since TF and Heca are available whenever :/
      GG Riot you only get half of what I was originally going to spend!!

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    8. People who get heated about video games...

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    9. Are you guys serious ? Norod cares about the opinion of EVERY player, this is just for a rough estimate. The only joke is that you are taking it so out of context

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    10. and any seasoned lol player should already know holiday skins are legacy. they main point imo is whether to keep shadow isles skins around. a good decision poll or no.

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    11. I would have loved to have the Shadow Isles skins as Legacy...but instead I'm only buying one (Maokai) and figuring out if I want any of the terrible Halloween skins.

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    12. ^ zombie brand is pretty sick actually, the others are crap.

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    13. GURL LIKE I JUST LYK FARTED OMFG SCREAMS

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  2. Aw.. I wanted to hoard some limited edition skins. And they're going to be made into legacy skins anyway. ;_; Ohwell~ Still super excited for Haunted Maokai and Zombie Brand!

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  3. I hope they add in the new ui with this patch it looks much better than the one we have now.

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  4. Can't wait for those permanent ward skins.

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    1. Not this set, but maybe future ones. They did say it was something they were looking into.

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  5. wait but all the skins legacy got the most votes, I don't quite understand

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    1. The took all choice in decision. Shadow Isle skins had 39 percent that just wanted them to stay while 17 percent wanted them all to stay. Harrowing only had 17% + 5%. Votes for Shadow Isle being legacy was 40% + 5%. And For The Harrowing was 39% + 40%. That is how they did it. Shadow Isle stays and Harrowing become legacy.

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    2. That screenshot doesn't reflect the votes at the time Hippalus made his decision.

      "Interesting responses and very close poll. The slight winner with nearly 40% of the vote is Shadow Isles skins permanent and Harrowing skins legacy. "

      At the time, Option #4 was leading over Option #1 by a good 2 or 3%.

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    3. Either way Shadow Isle skins come out on top and remain permanent.

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  6. Same here, I was hoping something like this would occur because I was going to purchase every single one of them if they were all legacy. Now it doesn't quite get to me knowing I have the possibilty of saving up on a fourth of the total amount of cash I would spend on sale day than I would for buying them the first day

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  7. Wait wtf? 40% voted for both Harrowing and Shadow Isles skins to be legacy am I dyslexic or something. The graph clearly shows the top choice is 40%. which stats both sets of skins should be legacy

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    1. They stopped the voting at a certain point where harrowing legacy was in the lead, although I believe there should be a recount. The shadow isles skins are great but the champions there for already have nice skins, the only reason I would buy them is if they were legacy.

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    2. They counted all four options: 36% voted for SI perm and Harrowing legacy, and 17% voted for all of them to be perm. That makes 53% for perm SI, while 40% voted for all of them to be legacy and 5% voted for SI legacy and Harrowing perm. That makes 45% for legacy SI. Same goes for perm/legacy Harrowing skins.

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  8. Has the double IP started yet?

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    1. It should start out at midnight if I'm not mistaken.

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    2. Quote
      As a token of our thanks for your tremendous patience and dedication, we’re going to be giving out double IP for 24 hours after Finals, starting midnight PST on Sunday, October 14th. 48 hours, starting 11:59pm PDT on Friday, October 19.
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    3. It's the timezones.

      It's 27 after midnight where I am, and there was a short login queue when I logged on, and I don't want to use my 1st win of the day bonus until the double IP starts.

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    4. You are very welcome sir. I am also anonymous 9:24 and anonymous 9:30 (:
      Also I believe the first win of the day doesn't apply to any IP boost in general. If so, then I just screwed myself :/

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  9. I was going to buy Headless Hecarim, but now that I know is not limited, lose all the charm

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    1. Yeah same here. Got some RP just for that like 2 days ago, so lame.

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    2. Yeah, same here. Now I don't want it if everyone else is able to get it whenever.

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    3. If you actually like the skin, that shouldn't matter. "Now I don't want it if everyone else is able to get it whenever". Really? You don't like the skin now that you can't shove it in people's face? How pathetic.

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    4. Pathetic? Totally.

      These kids are just pandering to some sense of injustice and being absolute Hipsters. Their self-worth is clearly defined by their ability to wave around a giant banner of pixels that screams ' I'm better then you and I spent money on a free game. Take /that/ everyone that is frugal with their funding. '

      That being said. I've spent more money on this game than is reasonably acceptable and can't wait to get the Hecarim skin solely because it's sexy as shit.

      Also: For those people who are buying the legacy skins ( Especially for champions then don't play ) so that next Halloween they can say that they were bad asses and have a zombie brand. You guys are lame. As poop. c:

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    5. I'm totally buying Zombie Brand, first of all because it looks bad ass, not to shove it in anyone's face. Besides, I mainly play mid, so why not try this guy I bough long ago but I never got to play much? That's my way of thinking. I know buying a skin for a champion you don't use is lame. Call me lame if you want. I'm just going to buy a really cool skin and enjoy it as much as possible :)

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    6. @anonymous 10:48 I am in love with you.

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  10. Was going to buy Haunted Maokai, but I can wait a few months for it to go on sale now.

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  11. Funny that America decides for the rest of the world...

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    1. Much like everything else, suck it.

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  12. funny that a bunch of people (4k aprox) decides for the rest of the users (32 millions)

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    1. Yeah, LoL needs global forum... because it sucks...
      NA decides everythign... NA has cool comptetitions on forums...

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    2. We need something to make us feel better for being the worst area for league.... Asia and Europe owned us in worlds i think we can have this one

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    3. That's a fair point "I Main Garen", we'll give you this one.

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  13. Here, have some images of Veigar Bot! http://imgur.com/a/84eAN

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  14. I am <3 lol well that was my QQ for the day :P

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  15. funny how people start to cry because something is getting available forever. thats really, really sad. getting the chance to buy it whenever you want

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    1. "What?! You can only buy these ward skins for a small period and use them for them a limited time? NOOOOO."

      "What?! You can buy these skins any day of the year? NOOO."

      - Complaining, because constancy is overrated.

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  16. Lol, love attention prods who only want something because it is exclusive.

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  17. Some people seam to be skin gluttons that don't think in the rest of the people but themselves, I voted for all 6 to be permanent and I will buy Hec and Mao skins as soon as they are available, there is no need to play the stupid "my virtual penis is longer than your virtual penis", people should always be able to have access and enjoy content as long as they have the RP to do so.

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    1. Yeah Bryan whip it out!

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    2. It's what I'm betting on.

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    3. Dude, whats the point of buying a permanent halloween skin if you can't show off with it in the future when its not availible anymore.
      I would buy Maokai skin if it was limited, I feel happier if I play with a skin that no one can even get anymore.

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  18. Indeed, exclusive only. thats the idea!

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  19. what poll, RIOT SRSLY......... u haven't announced shitt... u could atleast have kept the polls open for a day or 2 so people can get to vote.... IMO LEGACY all the way... (sry up front, this is tottaly generalising i know, im just mad.... )this seems like an typical american poll.... get the voters we want to vote rest fåck off.... this seems RIGGED!!!!!

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  20. and didn't the legacy win ??? as far as i can see from the number, all skins should go into legacy no??? 40% is more than 38 no RIOT ?

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    1. They counted all four options: 36% voted for SI perm and Harrowing legacy, and 17% voted for all of them to be perm. That makes 53% for perm SI, while 40% voted for all of them to be legacy and 5% voted for SI legacy and Harrowing perm. That makes 45% for legacy SI. Same goes for perm/legacy Harrowing skins.

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  21. You dumb kids, why would I waste money on a skin that anyone can buy at anytime??? I prefer to stay w/o skin if thata the case. I'll only buy exclusive/limited stuff bc its ok to waste ur money in something not many ppl would have.

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  22. Headless Hecarim, derived from the headless horseman, is a staple in horror literature, and has been wanted for a harrowing skin for quite some time now. Please tell me how a Pirate Ryze is more befitting of the Legacy status than Headless Hecarim?

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  23. 50% percent of the apeal for Headless Hecarim was the fact that it might only be available for a limited time, but instead they put much lower quality skins for the legacy (Brand's skin is awesome, if anything it should be legendary + Full time availability)

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  24. I want it rare. D:<

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  25. chinese new yr skins not on sale yet

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  26. Looks like I won't get my Vengeful Wraith than and maybe not even the Deadfall Treant. =<
    Because it would be a waste to buy the Shadow Isles skins now and not in 1-2 month when they'll be on sale. My Maokai is patient.

    Imho the only reason to buy a new skin day1 is limited availability or legendary status (aka no sale ever).

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    1. I'm not sure SI skins will ever be on sale, since the Lunar Revel ones haven't been on sale. I think the skins related with Holidays/Events, even if they are permanent, can't be on sale. It's just what I think though, we'll see in the next sales, I guess.

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  27. Wait...is the Twisted Treeline do-over permanent?

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  28. they should make holiday skins limited again and not legacy :/

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  29. Moobeat pls answer me this, isn't 40 % (all of the six skins should be in store for the holiday, then into leagacy) the winnner ?
    or am im missing something ??

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    1. They counted all four options: 36% voted for SI perm and Harrowing legacy, and 17% voted for all of them to be perm. That makes 53% for perm SI, while 40% voted for all of them to be legacy and 5% voted for SI legacy and Harrowing perm. That makes 45% for legacy SI. Same goes for perm/legacy Harrowing skins.

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    2. That makes so much more sense. Thanks! ^^

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  30. They started cheating when they started counting. Because some people voted for one type of skin legacy and the other voted for both, and it's two different kinds of vote.

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  31. What that awesome Zombie is legacy O.o riot trolled me ~.~

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  32. chinese lunar skin still not on sale since the begining of the year. enjoy your wait.

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  33. Why even bother having a fake quick poll when he won't even respect the results. Personally I wanted Shadow Isles to be permanent too but the majority voted for all the skins to be legacy. That should be respected. Even after ending the poll people are still voting and you can see clearly option 4 is still ahead.

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  34. HH shouldve been harrowing anyway, his one alternate skin is already pretty shadow isles-y

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  35. "I wanted the skins to be Legacy! That way I can buy them and laugh in the faces of miserable, impoverished players who can't afford them and still buy candy for their kids!

    I would have flaunted Headless Hecarim for years to come, prancing on the hopes and dreams of all who opposed me!

    And now my empire is crumbling!"

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    1. Such poetry... You're completely right though.
      I had hoped Headless Hecarim would be put in the Harrowing theme for the sake of the holliday, but I don't see why everyone can't enjoy this wonderful skin.
      For those who're obsessed with legacy skins... Zombie Brand is still there, which is quite an amazing and hilarious skin.

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    2. That's the one thing I kinda hate about legacy skins. I've only started playing LoL in February of this year, and because of that, I've missed out on some wonderful skins.
      Sure they aren't as special if everyone has it, but once Halloween is over and the New Year comes, most people will stop playing with their Harrowing/Shadow Isles skins anyways. If you're the only one using it even if everyone has it, you still kinda get that feeling of having a special skin.

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  36. Its not easy being green... and dead

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    1. Yes it is! You should try it sometime!

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  37. Looks like Riot is running a shady election theme event this year.

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  38. Legacy =/= Limited, FYI. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=524449

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  39. I seriously have no idea why people are complaining about the Shadow Isles skins being permanent. I mean, I get it, you want the satisfaction of owning a legacy skin, but still. At least it saves some people the need of rushing out and picking up 4 or 5 of the skins which is a lot of money on something that doesn't impact the game drastically.

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  40. In the end, I came in thinking all of them were going to be legacy and I was goig to buy Zombie Brand and he Headless Hecarim. Even though the Hecarim one isn't legacy I'm still going to buy it. I enjoy flaunting my skins in front of others as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to change my views just because it's not a limited time offer. Both these skins are badass and belong to two of my favorite champs so I'm still buying with no hesitation.

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    1. ^winning, because really, what is fun about buying something to flaunt it off, I much rather just buy skins because i enjoy them myself, not to be like the virtual penis contest further up in these comments.

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  41. My PBE isn't working ... I wanna play Elise soooooooooo bad q.q

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  42. if you pause at the right moment, when Fiora lunges, she's still wearing her armor

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  43. How about the RP spending icon? its kind of annoying when you just bought 50$ at the very end of September

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  44. Legacy Skin: Available ONLY for the specified period. Eg. halloween weekened / harrowing event

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  45. Its hilarious that people think that after the poll was officially closed people who supported the declared winning option had anywhere near the incentive to continue voting in a decided contest. Only the butthurt losing side had any reason to keep voting in hopes they could change the result. Imagine there is an election candidate A is declared the winner. Does Candidate A's party then go create a bunch of fraudulent mail in ballots so they can win harder? No, they are celebrating while I bet you can guess what Candidate B's cronies are trying to do.

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  46. Damn you Riot!
    I would buy some skins but knowing they won't be legacy makes me sick.
    Every single fking skin should be legacy.
    Your not getting any cent from me now!

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  47. When is this coming out on live servers I am PUMPED

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  48. Price of the future skins : Zombie Brand 1350rp
    Headmistress Fiora : 975rp(?)*
    Pirate Ryze 975rp(?)*
    Headless Hecarim 975rp
    Haunted Maokai 975rp
    Underword Twisted Fate 975rp

    *The skins doesn't have effects or special jokes, so maybe they will cost only 520.

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    1. ...only his Q and he looks terrible. Not even particle or voice changes, and just a bad idea for skin anyway. Wtf does Ryze has to do with pirates?

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    2. IMHO it's 'student' fiora...

      here Riot, some examples of 'teachers':
      http://images.naughtycdn.com/datana/upload/source/mfst/raylenebilly/raylenebillyvert_scene_huge.jpg
      http://images.naughtycdn.com/datana/upload/source/mfst/dianaxander/dianaxandervert_scene_huge.jpg
      http://images.naughtycdn.com/datana/upload/source/mfst/cassandrakris/cassandrakrishor_big_img1.jpg
      http://images.naughtycdn.com/datana/upload/source/mfst/nikitagiovanni/nikitagiovannihor_big_img1.jpg

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  49. Harrowing is going to be legacy moron.

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